Nice..1st time ive seen it against a black front end like mine.Have the extension under the hood to attach the remote .. will take a pic tomorrow and post ..rough country 12K winch :
How bout the freespool lever access?
Nice..1st time ive seen it against a black front end like mine.Have the extension under the hood to attach the remote .. will take a pic tomorrow and post ..rough country 12K winch :
Yes very difficult to access… so had to have a extension port installed under the hood , the remote connects to it ..I’ll post a pic and / or video of how it works .Nice..1st time ive seen it against a black front end like mine.
How bout the freespool lever access?
Looks good, wonder if they have a wireless winch remote option for the 12k or 9,500lb winches, I'm still throwing it around on buying the front and rear bumpers but really want themHave the extension under the hood to attach the remote .. will take a pic tomorrow and post ..rough country 12K winch :
Sorry for the delayed response. I do not have time to write a tutorial on recovery. It is a complex subject and involves far more than just winching. When I get time I will start a recovery thread so we can hear input from everyone. Just because I have done it does not make me an expert. But I will contribute what I can.You both brought up good points against it. I am trying to gather data points that can help to determine if the trade-offs are worth it.
I asked for a lot more things that just failure rate but you seem not willing to answer/talk to any of them? Why? Have you actually not needed a winch in all the off roading you do? It does not look like you have added a winch to your current truck, why not? If you had winches on your previous trucks, how often did you need them for a recovery? How often did you need access to the winch other than the free spool lever? You have knowledge here that I do not have so please educate me.
It takes 6 bolts to get access to it so at home this is a non issue. On the trail there is a chance that it could be not possible to access the bolts depending on the situation and that would suck bad. How often is what will make or break the kind of setup.
Just go buy the hidden winch setup and enjoy. Sounds like you have it all figured out anyway.Wakinvol's first paragraph did not address the question that he thought he was but actually was a good reason to have even the hidden winch.
I like Matts videos. I have seen him use winches multiple times without issues. These are valuable data points. Your concerns are very valid and have to be taken into account when deciding if this is the correct winch for a given owner. To help make this decision, I personally like to use data vs perception to drive these kinds of decisions. This is why I keep asking for examples and such. Your perception seems to be that they fail a lot and you need access at all times. My question is does the data support this perception?
Let me provide a quick example of perception vs data. A while back my dayshift counterpart came to me to talk about the qualification/testing frequency for our tools. The concern his team had provided was that they were doing all the quals and my team was not doing their fair share. When the data was pulled, it turned out that the quals were being done at a 50/50 rate between our teams. It turned out that there were work weeks where one shift did more quals than the other shift but over the course of a month, it broke down to that 50/50 ratio. These weeks of them doing more of the quals than my team was why they had built the perception of them doing all the quals. Data just did not support this. This is just one of the reasons I prefer to use data vs perception.
The bottom line is if you have no winch, you have no option to use one. The hidden winch provides that option. Each owner needs to consider the risks vs the rewards here.
I do not have it all figured out . That is why I am asking for your guys input. I value what you have to say. I am just asking for data that both of you seem unwilling to provide. You both seem to have your minds made up that this is bad yet you won't provide data to support that it is bad.Just go buy the hidden winch setup and enjoy. Sounds like you have it all figured out anyway.
I have no data in hard numbers. they don't exist. I have a lifetime of experience enjoying wilderness and 4wheeling. The world is gray, not black and white. Every situation is different. i don't try to sway people to do anything. It's your truck have fun with it.I do not have it all figured out . That is why I am asking for your guys input. I value what you have to say. I am just asking for data that both of you seem unwilling to provide. You both seem to have your minds made up that this is bad yet you won't provide data to support that it is bad.
Both of you seem to be taking my questions as challenges to your posts but that is just not the case here. I have repeatedly stated that your concerns are real and valid concerns. The data points help to determine a risk level. Like say if it fails 1 time out of 2 uses vs say 1 time out of 100 uses. The first is 50% of the time and the second is 1% of the time. 50% would be horrible and would be a hard no. 1% however is not that bad.