What oil to use?

[Gangly]

Since we're getting hung up on 5w30 versus 0w20 and have now dove into the EPA, I feel like exploring this.

Over 20 years ago Japanese imports started using 0w20 in what were dubbed tight tolerance high compression engines. These same little 4 cylinder engines we being awarded LEV and ULEV certifications. They were also achieving high mpg numbers at the time. Exploring the argument that the 5.3 and 6.2 were built to run on 5w30 and 0w20 isn't much different, and the EPA forcing tighter regulations for emissions and increased mpg, is the thickness of the 2 oils really enough to increase mpg and reduced emissions while providing satisficing protection to the engine? The way the wheels in my head are turning, the change in oil weight may have been to satisfy the EPA and GM engineers decided this was one way to do it because the thinner oil would produce less of a drag on moving engine parts thus making it more efficient?

I really don't know if my questions are making sense. I'm trying to wrap my head around how I ask those questions. That's why the sentences may seem poorly structured.

Perfect sense. I think the logical progression you took is the same that many of us have, and raises good questions.

 

[clstark7]

Since we're getting hung up on 5w30 versus 0w20 and have now dove into the EPA, I feel like exploring this.

Over 20 years ago Japanese imports started using 0w20 in what were dubbed tight tolerance high compression engines. These same little 4 cylinder engines we being awarded LEV and ULEV certifications. They were also achieving high mpg numbers at the time. Exploring the argument that the 5.3 and 6.2 were built to run on 5w30 and 0w20 isn't much different, and the EPA forcing tighter regulations for emissions and increased mpg, is the thickness of the 2 oils really enough to increase mpg and reduced emissions while providing satisficing protection to the engine? The way the wheels in my head are turning, the change in oil weight may have been to satisfy the EPA and GM engineers decided this was one way to do it because the thinner oil would produce less of a drag on moving engine parts thus making it more efficient?

I really don't know if my questions are making sense. I'm trying to wrap my head around how I ask those questions. That's why the sentences may seem poorly structured.

I believe I heard something about the clearances on the crankshaft caps are smaller now and that's why the thinner oil is needed, so you might be right. And I agree that mileage might have played a small factor in that decision as well, even if it is minimal.

 

[The Raven]

Panties in a twist? Lame attempts at insults are for children who have lost arguments and have nothing left to throw but insults.

LOL take your own advice before dispensing it to others.

The point is that my "correction" was completely relevant to your comment as you said the VLOM was designed for 0W-20. The newer 5.3's and 6.2's in the TB's dont have VLOM, so your statement is completely, and utterly irrelevant to our trucks. That's not a nit pick, that's a correction of bad information.

LOL no. The statement remains unchanged. It doesn't matter if it's a VLOM or solenoids or your mom. The *device that actuates the lifter collapse* is sensitive to oil viscosity. Same whether we are talking about AFM or DFM.

Bottom line - your comment was snarky and unnecessary. I know you think very highly of yourself and want to show off your knowledge to the rest of the class. But that can be done in an adult manner. Done this way you just look immature.

 

[40feralhogs]

Raven you might want to slow your roll bud.

To me at least you definitely look like the aggressor and resorted to personal insults instead of actually talking about the subject. You're the one coming off immature.

 

[The Raven]

Raven you might want to slow your roll bud.

To me at least you definitely look like the aggressor and resorted to personal insults instead of actually talking about the subject. You're the one coming off immature.

I get the feeling that you are reading my replies as more angry than they are. I'm far more entertained than angry at this point. But you are entitled to your perspective.

 

[40feralhogs]

I'll change mine since you changed yours.

I think we are getting a little to heated over something we basically agree on.

 

[The Raven]

I'll change mine since you changed yours.

I think we are getting a little to heated over something we basically agree on.

It's not irrelevant. The issue with the VLOM and OC solenoids is the same. Both AFM and DFM trucks since 2014 have the same requirements. This whole debacle started over a nitpick that does not matter.

But yes, you and I DO agree...and that's exactly the point. The disagreement literally does not matter in this thread.

 

[40feralhogs]

Fair enough. It's very easy to misread tone. I understand where you're coming from.

 

[The Raven]

Fair enough. It's very easy to misread tone. I understand where you're coming from.

On a lighter note, you should see the sh1t-show that erupted on the JL Wrangler forum over the 0w-20 requirement. We look like old English gentlemen in comparison. They're like 60-70 pages in and still going at it.

 

[Baz]

Let’s all just get into the Christmas spirit with this heartwarming Santa photo.

 

[Gangly]

LOL take your own advice before dispensing it to others.



LOL no. The statement remains unchanged. It doesn't matter if it's a VLOM or solenoids or your mom. The *device that actuates the lifter collapse* is sensitive to oil viscosity. Same whether we are talking about AFM or DFM.

Bottom line - your comment was snarky and unnecessary. I know you think very highly of yourself and want to show off your knowledge to the rest of the class. But that can be done in an adult manner. Done this way you just look immature.

Wow, you like hearing yourself talk aimlessly while defending an incorrect statement huh? It's a bad look for you, but if you want to keep rolling around in it go ahead.

I am done with this thread since it has deteriorated to snarkiness and childlike banter where a supposedly grown adult can't handle being incorrect, gets their poor little feelings hurt resulting in child like defensive measures.

Despite your inability to be an adult about things, I still wish you a Merry Christmas and I hope you enjoy your fine truck.

 

[clstark7]

Wow, guys. If Ford or Ram sees us having a civil war, they will come in and conquer us easily. Lets unite! LOL.

 

[The Raven]

Despite your inability to be an adult about things, I still wish you a Merry Christmas and I hope you enjoy your fine truck.

And despite YOUR inability to be an adult about things, I ALSO wish YOU a Merry Christmas.

And thanks for the compliment on my truck. Can't find pics of yours but i'm sure i'd love it too.

Wow, guys. If Ford or Ram sees us having a civil war, they will come in and conquer us easily. Lets unite! LOL.

LOL have you been on Ford and Ram forums? You think this is bad...get a load of those guys. Like I said a few posts up, we look like old English gentlemen enjoying a brandy and cigars and discussing polo.

 

[Transient]

Let’s all just get into the Christmas spirit with this heartwarming Santa photo.View attachment 7676

I feel like this everyday, lol

 

[Transient]

And despite YOUR inability to be an adult about things, I ALSO wish YOU a Merry Christmas.

And thanks for the compliment on my truck. Can't find pics of yours but i'm sure i'd love it too.



LOL have you been on Ford and Ram forums? You think this is bad...get a load of those guys. Like I said a few posts up, we look like old English gentlemen enjoying a brandy and cigars and discussing polo.

This is 'Murica. We drink whiskey here. We're civil because we have guns. An armed society is a polite society. We can afford guns and gun racks in the back window of our Chevys because we're not spending gun money on fixing our trucks. Ford and Ram owners will never enjoy the freedom.